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"Future next gen S2000 owner" (future-next-gen-s2000-owner) 10/25/2018 at 15:01 • Filed to: None

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I’d like to own this. So tempting......Hopefully it is around this spring.

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Mini Guy- Now has a 4Runner > Future next gen S2000 owner 10/25/2018 at 15:10

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thats a bad idea but you do you

HammerheadFistpunch > Future next gen S2000 owner 10/25/2018 at 15:16

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I love boats but I always wonder what people do with boats you don’t use as watersports tow boats or boats you can love out of. I guess I just don’t know what else you do with boats.

Sovande > HammerheadFistpunch 10/25/2018 at 15:25

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Fish, cruise, sight see, relax, etc. I have owned boats since 2002 and have yet to do any water sports. I have caught a ton of fish though.

HammerheadFistpunch > Sovande 10/25/2018 at 15:27

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I see fishing.  I’ve never understood cruising.  I would like to try it but in Utah its all about small lakes with really no place to go so we ski.

Sovande > Future next gen S2000 owner 10/25/2018 at 15:28

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Looks like a loud, fast boat that has never been properly dialed in.

“Have numerous props for it in various sizes and pitches” leads me to believe they couldn’t get it dialed in to either get out of the hole or run the engine to the correct RPMs at WOT.  

But it does have a sun pad.

Sovande > HammerheadFistpunch 10/25/2018 at 15:29

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Ah, well that’s different.  I can go something like 90 miles before I hit the Chesapeake Bay or Atlantic Ocean.  Plus my son and I camp on the boat from time to time, which is fun.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > Future next gen S2000 owner 10/25/2018 at 15:40

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Oh that looks nice. We’re eyeing up Deck Boats at the moment. I like to go fast and want to pull the kids behind the boat, wife wants to put 10 people on and cruise. So the crossover of the seas is what we’re looking at lol.

Something like this maybe:

https://detroit.craigslist.org/okl/boa/d/1996-regal-destiny-deck-boat/6706968097.html

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > HammerheadFistpunch 10/25/2018 at 15:43

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went out boating on pontoons all of this summer, i prefer to go fast on the water, but the wife’s family all has pontoons except for one rarely used speed boat. We all pile onto the boats, ride over to this one specific lake and hangout. Rope swing and swimming for the kids and drinking for the adults. it’s basically an expensive picnic on the water. I’m hoping to buy something to join in for next summer. So mething faster I hope.

Future next gen S2000 owner > HammerheadFistpunch 10/25/2018 at 15:49

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Throw out the anchor and drink. Best use of a boat.

haveacarortwoorthree2 > Future next gen S2000 owner 10/25/2018 at 15:49

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Do you prefer “Bust Out Another Thousand” or “Bankruptcy On A Trailer”?

HammerheadFistpunch > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 10/25/2018 at 15:49

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one of my dreams is to get a cruiser of some kind and drive the entire Lake Powell shoreline.  One couple I saw did it with a full canvas pontoon.  Seems like it would be a decent way to do it, but the lake can get pretty rough in a storm.

Future next gen S2000 owner > Mini Guy- Now has a 4Runner 10/25/2018 at 15:49

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I know, right!

Future next gen S2000 owner > Sovande 10/25/2018 at 15:51

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Maybe. Depending on the places the go, elevation is a killer. I have three props for my boat depending on task and lake elevation.

Future next gen S2000 owner > haveacarortwoorthree2 10/25/2018 at 15:51

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Worth it.

CaptDale - is secretly British > Future next gen S2000 owner 10/25/2018 at 16:25

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But 90's Racing Boat

Future next gen S2000 owner > CaptDale - is secretly British 10/25/2018 at 16:39

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No carbs for me. I’m on a diet.

CaptDale - is secretly British > Future next gen S2000 owner 10/25/2018 at 16:49

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-_-

Future next gen S2000 owner > CaptDale - is secretly British 10/25/2018 at 17:40

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Get it! Get it! I kill myself. I’ll be here all week! Don’t forget to tip your waitress.

winterlegacy, here 'till the end > Future next gen S2000 owner 10/25/2018 at 17:58

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It’s too bad Boat Trader’s website is completely god-awful. If you want to browse it with any sort of speed, you have to block ads, but that causes the scripts on the site to break when you scroll through the pictures. You can’t modify the filters while you’re searching either unless you go back to the special search page that only shows up when you click the right link.

Sovande > Future next gen S2000 owner 10/25/2018 at 18:13

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Huh. I never would have even thought about elevation. All the boating I have ever done has been at sea level. 

Future next gen S2000 owner > Sovande 10/25/2018 at 18:21

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Think of props as the gear you want to select. Sometimes you want the whole shot, sometimes you want a top end run. Takes five minutes to swap props, so having multiples can be useful.

ITA97, now with more Jag @ opposite-lock.com > Sovande 10/25/2018 at 18:46

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As one who boats at 5000+ ft in elevation, many a boat will struggle to get on plane at all up here without a prop change. I want to say the old engineering formula was 3% HP loss per 1000ft in elevation, and 1% for every 10 degrees f ahrenheit over standard temperature . Run at a high desert lake on a 105 degree day...

ITA97, now with more Jag @ opposite-lock.com > Future next gen S2000 owner 10/25/2018 at 18:53

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A 305 in that boat seems pretty under powered, especially for use at altitude.   That thing must be truly terrible to get up on a salmon ski behind. Assuming it probably has the obnoxious thru- hull exhaust that plauge those type boats like a cancer, I’m guessing it makes a bunch of noise to go not faster than the mid 40's if they get the right prop on it.

ITA97, now with more Jag @ opposite-lock.com > CaptDale - is secretly British 10/25/2018 at 19:04

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If you could stand to be seen on a boat like that, they’re a way to turn money into excess noise very quickly. At speed, fuel consumption is measured in many gallons per minute, and blown high-compression engines like those have pretty short service life between big dollar rebuilds.

CaptDale - is secretly British > ITA97, now with more Jag @ opposite-lock.com 10/25/2018 at 19:06

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I am very aware, but the child in me loves them very much. Just like I love old Learjets! They use 50% of their fuel in the first hour or 2. Stupid but wonderful and I need one!!

Sovande > Future next gen S2000 owner 10/25/2018 at 19:55

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I have never heard of them being set up that way. I have always set them up to achieve a specific rpm at WOT. My inboard diesel, for instance needs to be able to spin up to 3300 rpms and is propped accordingly. Same with when I had a boat with an outboard, it was set up to make the 5500 rpms or whatever the target was. 

Sovande > ITA97, now with more Jag @ opposite-lock.com 10/25/2018 at 19:59

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I had no idea, it simply never would have occurred to me. Pretty cool. I have spent my whole life on the east coast at or very close to sea level. I think my place now is something like 43 ft above sea level. The only boating I have done out west was in Oregon on the Willamette and Columbia rivers and the boat was a guides, so it never occurred to me. Thanks for the knowledge! 

ITA97, now with more Jag @ opposite-lock.com > Sovande 10/25/2018 at 20:08

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No problem. It catches people out up here who buy a boat from el se where and then find out it won’t plane up here or tops out at 30mph. Dealers up here order their new stock propped for high altitude, and they also tend to order more of their stock at or near the max rated power for the model. A hot July day at my lake means you’re down around 20% from what that engine would put out at sea level on cool day. Similarly, there is a reason that airlines used to spec more powerful engines for aircraft that were used for hot and high operation on a regular basis.

Future next gen S2000 owner > ITA97, now with more Jag @ opposite-lock.com 10/26/2018 at 10:02

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I won’t be pulling any skiers for a few years. It might be a bit underpowered but better than many boats that come with a 3.0 or a 4.3. If need be, swap out the prop for a different pitch.

Future next gen S2000 owner > Sovande 10/26/2018 at 10:04

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That’s how they normally are from the factory. It acts as a balance between top end and hole shot. If you wanted more top end, I’ll bet you could get a couple more mph at the expense of the hole shot.

Future next gen S2000 owner > ITA97, now with more Jag @ opposite-lock.com 10/26/2018 at 10:06

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I once made the mistake of not swapping my prop when I went from my typical 5,500 ft lake to one at 9,000ft. We idled around that lake all day. Didn’t have the power to gain any rpm at all.

Re-jetting the carb probably would have helped as well.

ITA97, now with more Jag @ opposite-lock.com > Future next gen S2000 owner 10/26/2018 at 10:18

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Indeed. When we had a smaller boat that we took to different lakes around the state, it was re-jetted when we took it up to the 6000ft+ elevation lakes instead of the 4500ft elevations lakes it went to most of the time.  

ITA97, now with more Jag @ opposite-lock.com > HammerheadFistpunch 10/26/2018 at 10:29

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Yes. The only time I’ve seen a boat (19ftish Sea Ray bowrider from the 80's) actually stuff the bow into a wave it wasn’t big enough to get over was on Lake Powell, and they were actually inside our wake about 100ft behind us when they did it. That the guy jammed the throttle forward as the wall of water came over the bow is the only reason it didn’t swamp. It was an impressive amount of water that came into that boat. We fully expected to have to circle back and pick them up out of the water, but they actually managed to make it back in. We ended up leading a group of smaller boats back to Dangling Rock after getting caught in a microburst. That was one of only two times we’ve ever donned life jackets in this boat because of conditions.

The other time happened to at Lake Powell, also. 6ft rollers are fine, but when you start getting 6ft rollers from more than one direction at the same time in a canyon they become more interesting. Our boat should be prefect for Lake Powell, but we gave up taking it there because it seems to be cursed on that lake. We’d taken a smaller boat to Lake Powell a couple times and had a blast. The first time we took the bigger boat to Lake Powell it rained the entire week and the day of 6ft rollers from more than one direction was the only day we went out on the water at all. The 2nd time it snowed in Flagstaff in July on both the way there and the way back. That set the tone for how stormy and cool it was the week we donned lifejackets for the microburst.

HammerheadFistpunch > ITA97, now with more Jag @ opposite-lock.com 10/26/2018 at 10:55

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there are a lot of sunglasses, hats and boats at the bottom of that lake.

Sovande > Future next gen S2000 owner 10/26/2018 at 11:27

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The important factor is engine longevity is not top speed hole shot though, it’s meeting factory ratings for the RPM. If you are running too small a prop you will over-rev. If you don’t meet the numbers you will lug the engine - both of which are bad. Even if you don’t ever run the boat at WOT those loads translate through the RPM range.

Why are Wide Open Throttle (WOT) RPM so important? As I have mentioned in a previous blog post, what WOT RPM you are getting along with your current propeller size and pitch are the most important numbers for us to determine which props you can and should be running on your boat. Every engine has a WOT RPM operating range that is specified by the manufacturer. Not being within this range can not only affect performance, but damage the motor as well.

Many people will ask, “I never run my engine at full throttle, so why do I need to know what my WOT RPM is?” To answer that question, we will be looking at a section from Quicksilver’s publication, Everything You Need to Know About Propellers. This guide was put out by Brunswick, Quicksilver’s parent company in 1992.

“An engine that does not reach the rated RPM at wide-open-throttle is an “over-propped” condition, resulting in “lugging.” This high-torque operation puts a tremendous load on the pistons, crankshaft, and bearings. The engine runs much hotter and may overheat from having over-advanced spark timing for the reduced amount of fuel entering the engine. The mechanical strain on an over-propped marine engine is like starting an automobile in third gear from a dead stop at the bottom of a hill. This severe strain can lead to detonation, piston seizure, and engine damage.

On the other hand, an engine that revs past the recommended RPM will have higher than normal wear and can also be damaged by fatigued parts breaking and passing through the engine.

This is why it is so critical to be sure your engine is propped correctly for your boat/engine combination and the type of boating you want to do.”

I would like to add that what your engine does at WOT tells us what it will do at other throttle locations. In other words, if you are lugging at the top end, you will be lugging in the middle and at the low end.